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Roger Stone

THE CLINTONS' WAR

AGAINST WOMEN


How Does It Relate To The Branch Davidians? 


ROGER STONE 

Roger Stone is a seasoned political operative and pundit. A veteran of nine national presidential campaigns, he served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents. An outspoken libertarian, he is the author of the New York Times bestseller “The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ” and has written for Fox Opinion, Breitbart News, StoneZone.com, the Daily Caller and the Op-Ed page of the New York Times. A well-known voice in politics for over forty years, Roger Stone often gives insights on behind-the-scenes political agendas on Fox News and InfoWars and has been banned by CNN and MSNBC for his outspoken and politically in correct criticism of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Follow him at StoneColdTruth.Com


SOME QUOTES FROM THE BOOK

"Hillary was the shot-caller who made the tough decisions. It’s been said that on April 19, 1993, the Clinton administration was responsible for the deaths of seventy-six members of the Branch Davidian religious group. The Clintons used the forces of the federal government to murder these innocent people right before the eyes of the nation. In the 1999 documentary Waco: A New Revelation, film director Michael McNulty told what House of Representatives investigator T. March Bell found out about who really ordered the final murderous assault on the Branch Davidians: “One of the interesting things that happens in an investigation is that you get anonymous phone calls. And we in fact received anonymous phone calls from Justice Department managers and attorneys who believe that pressure was placed on Janet Reno by Webb Hubbell, and pressure that came from the first lady of the United States.” p 319 

Bell later told Newsmax.com that phone logs proved Hillary, Deputy White House Council Vince Foster, and Associate Attorney General Hubbell were coordinating the White House response to the Waco crisis, the U.S. government siege of the Branch Davidians home at Mount Carmel. “Those phone logs were Webb Hubbell’s phone logs. There were calls from the first lady and Vince Foster to Webb Hubbell’s office.” p 320 

This was all reported in an AFPN article in 2001: “Bell said Mrs. Clinton grew more and more impatient as the Waco standoff came to dominate the headlines during the early months of the Clinton administration. It was she, Bell’s source claims, who pressured a reluctant Janet Reno to act. Reno, on the other hand, was not enthusiastic about launching the assault, said Bell. ‘Give me a reason not to do this,’ [Reno] is said to have begged aides.” Reno was ordered to go ahead with the murderous tank and CS gas assault that resulted in seventy-six Branch Davidians, men, women, children, and babies being crushed, asphyxiated, or burned-up in an inferno. Whether the Branch Davidians played a role in starting those fires as a desperate defense mechanism matters not; it was Hillary Clinton who forced the issue and who should be held responsible for the murders. Vince Foster was greatly disturbed by the tragedy and deaths. “A special bulletin came on showing the atrocity at Waco and the [dead] children. And his face turned white, and he was absolutely crushed knowing, knowing the part he had played,” said Linda Tripp, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office. p 321


Esquire Magazine - UK Edition - April 2013

Prophet and Loss

Esquire Magazine - UK Edition - April 2013

This is the article by Daniel Kalder that was published in the April 2013 United Kingdom Edition of Esquire Magazine.  I was interviewed by Daniel in December of 2012 and photographed for the piece by Matthew Rainwater shortly after the interview.  I asked Daniel Kalder if I could record my interview with him and he agreed. I always want a record so I can verify if my words were twisted to mean something else. I hate it when reporters have an agenda and put their own spin on what was said, or, edit out parts to make you say what they want to be heard!  I am going to share that interview with you because there was much, much more said than could fit in this magazine article.  I want to thank Daniel for doing his best on telling my side of things because I am NOT the most popular guy in the Branch Davidian Movement because of the stand I took. I basically sighed and cried for the abominations that were done by the leadership of our church and I came against them in 1984 and exposed their sins and called them to repentance.  

Nine years later, on April 19, 1993, to the day and the hour that I pointed my finger at David Koresh and declared the judgment of Ezekiel 9 on him, the fire started at New Mount Carmel and consumed the whole complex with a dead David Koresh and most of his dead followers! 

Nine is the number of judgment. This teaching that an apostate leadership would receive the Ezekiel 9 slaughter was taught by Branch Davidians for years, but they self-righteously taught that it would be received by everyone who did not believe in Koresh as messiah. But, it was Koresh that was bringing the apostasy within the Seventh Day Adventist Movement as prophesied by its founder, Ellen G. White.  She said they would reject Christ and the Holy Spirit and accept an imposter who claimed he had the mind of God, that he sat in the seat of God, and that he was God, as stated in Ezekiel Chapter 28 (see also The Omega of Apostasy in this site for more info). 

Koresh actually agreed with my declaration of judgment on him and his followers infront of many witnesses and even stated to them that I was teaching truth. It seems he had basically accepted his fate to fulfill the prophesies connected to this rebellion and outright apostasy in the House of God!  

1 Peter 4:17-19 states: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that believe not the gospel of God? 

And if the righteous  scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?  

Wherefore, let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator."

IF THE DAVIDIAN BRANCH DAVIDIAN SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS WERE TRULY THE HOUSE OF GOD, AS THEY BELIEVED, THEN, THE JUDGMENT MUST BEGIN WITH THEM! I BELIEVE KORESH UNDERSTOOD THIS, BUT THE ELDERS THOUGHT THEY WERE TO JUDGE ALL OTHER CHURCHES BY THEIR BELIEFS.  

HISTORY PROVED KORESH TO BE RIGHT, BUT HIS FOLLOWERS TO BE WRONG, ESPECIALLY THE ELDERS, THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DAVIDIAN BRANCH DSDA MOVEMENTWHOM HE SAID HE CAME TO JUDGE, AND, BY FOLLOWING HIM INTO APOSTASY, THEY WERE JUDGED WITH HIM! 

WHAT A PARADOX! BUT, WAS NOT THE RIGHTEOUS SON OF GOD BECOMING SIN A PARADOX, TOO? YEHOSHUA WAS PERFECT, WHILE KORESH AND HIS BODY OF FOLLOWERS WERE IMPERFECT, BUT LIKE CHRIST, THEY WERE OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, WHICH IN THE EYES OF GOD, MADE THEM RIGHTEOUS, AS HIS SON WAS RIGHTEOUS, BY BECOMING OUR SIN BEARER! 

IF THE LORD CAN SAVE AND PARDON KORESH AND HIS FOLLOWERS BECAUSE THEY OBEYED GOD'S WILL FOR THEM TO BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE CHURCHES AND THE WORLD, THAT WE CAN NOT REJECT OUR CREATORS AND ACCEPT TO FOLLOW A CREATED BEING EVEN UNTO DEATH, THEN, GOD WILL SAVE ANYONE OR EVERYONE THAT CHOOSES TO BE OBEDIENT, EVEN UNTO DEATH!


HERE IS THE AUDIO INTERVIEW CLICK ON THE ARROW TO PLAY



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London Times Article


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A new prophet rises from the Ashes of Waco

Sunday Times magazine, 11 February 2013

Charles Pace is the leader of the Branch Davidians, the religious sect in Texas that became infamous when a 51-day standoff with the FBI resulted in more than 80 deaths. Twenty years later, he is preparing his flock for conflict on a different scale. By Alex Hannaford

When the sun sets, there’s a certain peacefulness, beauty, even, about this sparse 77-acre plot of land, 12 miles northeast of Waco. But the past couple of summers have seen the searing Texas heat dry up the two small lakes, and in winter the lack of trees due south makes the wind blow hard and cold, and it feels bleak and foreboding. It’s not the sort of place you’d imagine hundreds of people descending upon, setting up tents, bringing motorhomes, or building cabins. Yet Charles Pace, the burly trustee of the property and pastor of the wooden church here, is convinced they will — and soon.

A couple of years ago, Pace hired diggers to clear some of the gumtrees and thorny mesquite that sprout like weeds from the dry soil down by the lakes; the large catering kitchen that he has built on to the church in the centre of the ranch is finished; and the old dairy, a ramshackle brick construction at the back of the property, now houses all the ephemera Pace has collected for his experiments in aquaponics: he has been raising fish and running the fertilised water through gravel beds to use as organic plant food, but this year he intends to do it on a much larger scale.

Chickens roam free, pecking at the ground, and Pace plans to grow fruit and vegetables this spring. “We are reclaiming the Earth for God,” he says. “Creating a garden of Eden.” Pace believes that hundreds, if not thousands, of people will come here; that something extraordinary is about to happen in Waco. It wouldn’t be the first time.

Mount Carmel, as the ranch is known, is named after a mountain in northern Israel and has seen a few prophets in its time, none more notorious than Vernon Howell, a preacher who went by the name David Koresh. On February 28, 1993, he led the Branch Davidian religious sect into a 51-day armed standoff with agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), who were investigating allegations of illegal weapons-hoarding.

Those agents pumped tear gas into the sprawling wooden complex that the Davidians called home on April 19. Shortly afterwards, a fire started in the building and utterly destroyed it, the tragic scenes playing out on television screens across the world. More than 80 church members died that day, either in the blaze or from gunfire; we don’t know the exact number because some bodies were never recovered from the ashes. The dead included at least 17 children.

To this day, the cause of the fire is disputed. The official investigation concluded that, although federal agents didn’t start it, an FBI officer fired three flammable “ferret” tear-gas rounds near the living quarters of the compound. One of the main critics in the wake of the report was the former attorney- general Ramsey Clark, who called the assault on the compound “the greatest domestic law-enforcement tragedy in the history of the United States”.

The history of the Branch Davidians is complex. The movement began in the 1930s, when a Bulgarian immigrant called Victor Houteff split from the Seventh-Day Adventist church, which he joined in 1919 while living in Illinois, and eventually moved to Waco to establish a new church. The group believes its current president must be endowed with the gift of prophecy. After Houteff’s death, Benjamin Roden stepped into his shoes, leading the Davidians for more than 20 years. Roden’s wife, Lois, then insisted she had a message of her own: that the Holy Spirit was feminine. This polarised the congregation: some stayed, some left. After her husband died in 1978, Lois remained head of the church but her leadership was challenged first by her son, George; then, in 1983, by Koresh, who succeeded in taking over.

I first visited Mount Carmel in 2003 on the 10th anniversary of the siege. I was struck by how many stark reminders still existed of what happened. Picking my way through the bushes at the edge of the property, I found the charred remains of a table lamp; a dress; a shoe. The huge swimming pool, in which children once swam, was full of stagnant water, a disturbing reminder of the fact that, regardless of what Koresh did, there were innocent people here who laughed and played.

In 2003, Clive Doyle was the de facto leader of the group. A follower of Koresh, he survived the fire but his 18-year-old daughter, Shari, perished. Those Davidians who hadn’t been deported or imprisoned (some were British, sent home after serving lengthy jail sentences) began attending Doyle’s services each Sabbath.

It wasn’t to last. Pace, a Davidian who chose not to follow Koresh and who was living in Alabama at the time of the siege, returned shortly afterwards with his wife, Alexa, and their three children, moving into a mobile home at the back of the property. A few years after my first visit, there was a jostle for leadership and Pace emerged victorious — with a new message.

It’s bright but chilly when I pull up outside the mobile home near the entrance to Mount Carmel, which Pace uses as his office, one afternoon in January. I haven’t seen him for more than a year and he stands on his porch, wearing a V-neck sleeveless jumper, green shirt and jeans, and greets me with a hug. Alexa and his daughter, Angie, are about to drive into town, but they’ve waited to say hello.

I spent several weeks here during the summer of 2010 and spring of 2011 with a documentary film crew, and I got to know Pace well. He refers to himself as Joshua ben David — another name for Jesus of Nazareth — but he cuts an unlikely figure as God’s prophet on Earth: he lost an eye to a childhood disease, and a tractor accident about 15 years ago pulverised his heel so severely that his leg was amputated at the knee.

A Canadian by birth, Pace has been a Davidian since 1973, and initially lived at Mount Carmel under the leadership of Ben Roden. In 1984 Pace heard Koresh give a sermon in which he claimed to be the Lamb of God from the Book of Revelation. Pace (Correction: gave a 3 hour study showing how Howell/Koresh was bringing the apostate movement propesied by Ellen White, Victor Houteff, and Ben Roden) claims he got up afterwards, in front of the entire congregation of about 150 people, pointed his finger at Koresh and essentially predicted what would happen in 1993. “I told him he would bring about a Luciferian movement within the church,” Pace says. “I said he would receive the Ezekiel 9 slaughter, which is the slaughter of men, women, maids and little children.”

Afterwards, according to Pace, Koresh put his arm around him and said: “This brother’s speaking truth.” It’s an incredible anecdote, if it’s true; Doyle, who was in the congregation that day, doesn’t recall it. But Tom Caldwell, a fellow Branch Davidian who Pace once described as his second-in-command, and who was living at Mount Carmel in 2011, says it happened just the way Pace tells it. Either way, Pace chose not to follow Koresh. After leaving Waco, he married Alexa in 1986 and a year later they moved to Gadsden, Alabama, where he ran a company teaching people to invest in gold and preached at a local church at weekends.

I was giving a sermon at Immanuel Lutheran Church when the raid happened,” he says as we sit in his office. “Tom called me that night and told me to put CNN on. I thought, ‘Oh my God.’ ”

Pace believes what happened in 1993 was foretelling something far bigger. “According to our prophetic writings, there would come a leader within the Advent movement who claims to be God in the flesh,” he says. “The elders of the church would follow this man into apostasy. If he asked for their wives and daughters, they’d give them to him [Koresh was accused of child molestation]. He started making a God out of himself. He was acting the part of the antichrist.

But we believe Koresh was a prophet, just like Christ was a prophet,” Pace says. “When he [Koresh] is raised from the dead, he will have a testimony for the whole world to hear.”

Pace describes the siege 20 years ago as a “wake-up call” — the bloody aftermath was a microcosm of what will happen on Earth. He is convinced that hundreds, maybe thousands of people will come to Mount Carmel over the next couple of years to await the Rapture.

Since I was last at Mount Carmel, Caldwell had gone back to his native California after Pace fell out with his wife, Linda. All Pace will say is that Caldwell is “supposed to be here” and that he “didn’t prepare [his wife] for life at Mount Carmel. I’m just going to let the spirit move him.”

Only six people live on the property: Pace, Alexa and their two sons, Ben, 18, and Michael, 21 (their daughter Angie, 26, lives in the nearby town of Killeen with her husband, who is in the military); Ofelia Santoyo is the only survivor of the siege and a former follower of Koresh, who has accepted Pace’s message. She lost her daughter and five grandchildren in the fire.

Then there’s Simeon Laville, a former Seventh-Day Adventist who heard Pace’s message from a friend and came here three years ago to find out more. Another man, Rolando Saenz, has attended Pace’s services every weekend for a number of years, but doesn’t live on the property. A sculptor by trade, Saenz is responsible for the stone plaques that memorialise each victim of the fire — everyone, that is, except Koresh. Pace destroyed his headstone, saying it could be used for idolatry.

Pace’s vision is for Mount Carmel to be entirely self-sufficient, “off the grid”; but this is where Davidian theology meets a disturbing ideology that has been gaining traction in America. According to a report by the human-rights group Southern Poverty Law Center, since Barack Obama’s first election win in 2008, there has been a revival of the rabidly anti-government, so-called “patriot” movement of the 1990s: civilian militias, tax defiers, Second Amendment “righters”, united in their determination to oppose a “socialist” president.

Mount Carmel became a rallying point for anti-government conspiracy theorists. Timothy McVeigh came here in 1993, two years before he blew up the Alfred P Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. McVeigh would later claim it was done partly in retaliation for what happened in Waco.

Some of these militantly anti-government forces think an elite group is plotting to take over the world and create a new world order. The theory also attracts radical end-times fundamentalist Christians, who say that at the head of this group is the devil himself.

Pace’s conspiracy theory is difficult to articulate, but it goes something like this: Roman Catholicism and Islam are one and the same (“The Jesuits wrote the Koran”); the Federal Reserve is run by the Vatican; and the four beasts of Revelation (Correction: the four beasts in Daniel 7 are four kings or presidents) are Bill Clinton, George Bush Sr, George Bush Jr, and Obama — with the latter intent on imposing sharia after he’s destroyed the constitution.

But,” Pace says, “I believe God will intervene. Our side wins. And this will all happen within the next three years. People are being dislocated from their homes, they’re moving out of states where they can’t worship the God they want. Texas is going to secede from the Union. They’re going to take your guns, land, life and religion.”

Do you really believe that?” I ask. “Yes. American gun-owners are getting ramped up for civil war. If you count all the hunters that have several guns, there’s an army right there. Six or seven million.”

I ask him whether there are any guns up at Mount Carmel, particularly as this was the reason ATF agents attempted to execute a search warrant in 1993. “We have them to protect ourselves,” Pace says. “And to kill rabid dogs and to hunt. But we’re not stockpiling or selling them, or anything like that.”

Six years after the siege, the Texas-based libertarian radio presenter Alex Jones — who recently had a much-publicised spat over gun control with Piers Morgan on CNN, and counts among his supporters militia groups and anti-government conspiracy theorists — asked his listeners to help rebuild the Davidians’ church at Mount Carmel. The building that stands here today, on the site of the original compound, is the result of that appeal.

Jones was a student when the Congressional hearings into the events here took place in 1995. “I watched, glued to the television,” he says from his office in Austin. “And I had a bad feeling about the whole thing: tanks, mushroom fireballs, shooting people. Most of what we were told was a lie. Koresh had gone into town every week, jogging off the property every morning, but the ATF didn’t approach him then.”

Jones would later interview siege survivors, witnesses and ATF agents on his show. “I’m not saying the Davidians were perfect. I don’t agree with a lot of their spiritual views,” he says, “but I thought if the government can get away with doing that, they can get away with something bigger. Little kids were involved, newborn babies. When we dug up the footings for the church, we found flammable tear-gas rounds all over the place. They shot hundreds of them and there was an incredible amount of proof.

Even if Koresh himself was on a delusional power trip, there was no reason to kill all these people. It was a trophy hunt.”

I ask Jones why there is such a meeting of minds between the Davidians and his listeners. “A lot of militia people and constitutionalists who recognise the danger of too big a government resonate with the Branch Davidians,” he says. “Army manuals train for gun confiscation… the federal government knows gun culture and what happened in 1776. They’re trying to start civil war in this country. “If the Davidians think the end of the world is next month, so be it. I don’t think that’s the case. But I’m going to resist tyranny. No one can see what’s going on and not say it’s tyranny. My government is invading five or six countries and calling it ‘peace operations’. It’s immoral.”

Watching television coverage of the fire at Mount Carmel two decades on is still profoundly disturbing. It was a beautiful day with a vibrant blue sky when TV cameras captured the first flickers of flames and we watched, horrified, as they engulfed the entire complex. Amid the rubble, agents laid out body bags on the ground, and the camera zoomed in as an official held a charred baby bottle in his outstretched hand.

Clive Doyle spent most of the 51-day siege hunkered down in the chapel, on the ground floor at the back of the compound. On April 18, the day before the fire, he had been sick and that night hadn’t slept, whiling away the hours transcribing one of Koresh’s sermons. He still believes Koresh was a prophet and awaits his “resurrection”. By 6am, it was still dark. Doyle says he heard the voice of an FBI negotiator over the loudspeaker, saying: “If you don’t come out now, we’re going to pump gas into the building.”

People have always asked me, even now, why we didn’t come out during the standoff,” Doyle says. “But we were told nobody was to come out unless they were negotiated out by the FBI.” And after 51 days, he says, they were too scared to leave.

Everyone began scrambling for their gas masks, but Doyle didn’t have time to read the instructions on his, and because he didn’t peel off a small tab covering the filter, it lasted only 30 minutes before becoming clogged. He says people were in tears from the CS gas and it began to burn his skin like battery acid: “I started putting clothes on so the gas wouldn’t burn, but there was still bare skin on my face.”

The building started to collapse. Doyle’s daughter, Shari, had spent most of the siege with him in the chapel, but now he didn’t know where she’d gone. “At some point, maybe 12pm, a voice yelled: ‘The building’s on fire,’ ” he says. He made his way to the back of the building, into a small room off the chapel. Suddenly, smoke blew down the hallway. Doyle remembers seeing the bookcase, the armchair, an upright piano, before slipping behind a partition wall to escape the smoke. Then everything went black.

All of a sudden there was a tremendous wave of heat,” he says. It forced him to the floor, but he still couldn’t see any flames. “I’m rolling around with my hands under my armpits, screaming, ‘God, if you’re going to perform a miracle, you’d better do it quick, ’cos it’s getting hot in here.’ There were 10 guys packed into a narrow partition and I heard screaming from behind, which galvanised me into jumping up.”

Doyle scrambled through rubble and jumped through a hole in the wall. “Skin was rolling off my hands, my jacket was smoking and melting. The side of my neck was burnt. My left ankle was in excruciating pain and my hand was burnt to the bone. I looked back at the hole I’d come out of and it was a mass of flames.”

He remembers running into a razor-wire fence at the edge of the property, seeing four other people walking up the driveway with their hands in the air, and realising that he wasn’t the only one who had made it out alive; the morphine being injected into his arm; and the helicopter that took him to Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, 100 miles away.

Doctors had to graft skin from his leg onto his hands. He stayed in hospital for three weeks before he was given a jumpsuit and booked into the McLennan County jail, where he spent six months awaiting trial, charged with various counts including conspiracy to murder federal agents. He was acquitted the following year.

Aside from the period in jail, Doyle lived at Mount Carmel for 40 years, from 1966 until 2006, when he moved into his Waco apartment after falling out with Pace. Although there have been brief periods of reconciliation, today the two men are further apart than ever.

I’ve known Charlie for almost 40 years. [When I lived on the property] I really tried to give it a shot, to try to find out whether what he was saying was of God. Charlie wants as many survivors as he can get to give him legitimacy,” Doyle says. “But the Waco survivors are getting fewer and fewer.”

The sun is going down on a bright winter’s day over Mount Carmel. Pace has given me a tour of the kitchen, but it’s chilly and he closes the door to the church, to stop the wind blowing in. Meanwhile, a slim man in a grandad cap, silhouetted against the dying sun, is in the field beyond with a shovel in hand. Simeon Laville, one of the Pace faithful, is busy digging a trench that will slice through the acreage from east to west, and in the next month or so he’ll lay pipes to bring water to the property. “Mount Carmel is where it started,” Laville tells me. “It’s where He placed His name. The Bible said God will raise up his son, Joshua. I’ve known Pastor Pace for three years. I’d heard about his prophesies: Charles Pace. The man of Peace.”

On April 19, Doyle and a handful of well-wishers will mark the 20th anniversary of the fire with a morning of prayer and speeches at a hotel in downtown Waco. Meanwhile, Pace hopes Mount Carmel will once again become a rallying point, this time for those who accept his message. “We are ramping up to see a lot of people who are following God’s voice, and they are coming to a place of refuge,” he says. “People in Texas say, ‘Remember the Alamo’. I say, ‘Remember Waco’. Martyrs are ready to die.”

Even Caldwell, Pace’s former lieutenant who moved to California last summer, won’t rule out going back. “I absolutely think it will still happen,” he told me by phone when I asked him about Pace’s prophecy. “I have no idea what my role will be. My history with that place goes back 34 years and there have been so many emotional battles. But if I’m called to go back, I’ll go back.”



Reconciliation Brings Healing

Reconciliation Is Needed Before The LORD Heals Your Condition - Matt 18 Protocol


Brother ______ ,

I have sent you several emails requesting that we meet with one another to reconcile our differences. I have used the Matthew 18 protocol and because you will not acknowledge my request to make things right among us, then I was left no choice but to bring it publicly before the brethren, yes especially those who you lead! I have included the instruction found in "Sons and Daughters of God" or "Branches of Elahim" for today, January 19, that we use as a prayer thought at the "Daily" before we take communion. The Holy Spirit convicted me to send this to you so that you will understand why you have been afflicted with a cancerous tumor in your chest (seat of emotion) and it is pressing on your wind pipe and esophagus robbing you of the breath of life and your daily bread. You are also unable to speak because the nerve that operates your voice is affected as well!

Read the Passage by Ellen White and heed her instruction before you go about searching for a cure. You need to understand the deep  spiritual cause of your disease and admit your sin and repent of it before the Healer can cure your physical body. You need to look at the "Brazen Serpent" as Ben Roden said, before you can be healed!

He is Stronger and More Mighty Than Our Adversary

Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. Psalm 24:8.

Christ was strong to save the whole world. He wanted all. He could not endure the thought that one should be lost. He wept at the grave of Lazarus, that He could not save every one whom Satan's power had laid low in death. He had given Himself a ransom for many, even all who would avail themselves of the privilege of coming back to their loyalty to God. . . . When He raised Lazarus from the dead, He knew that for that life He must pay the ransom on the cross of Calvary. Every rescue made was to cause Him the deepest humiliationHe was to taste death for every man. (not just the righteous)

In His life on earth, Christ developed a perfect character, He rendered perfect obedience to His Father's commandments. In coming to the world in human form, in becoming subject to the law, in revealing to men that He bore their sickness, their sorrow, their guilt, He did not become a sinner. Before the Pharisees He could say, "Which of you convinceth me of sin?" Not one stain of sin was found upon Him. He stood before the world the spotless Lamb of God.

From the light of His exalted purity, the world's Redeemer could see that the maladies from which the human family were suffering were brought upon them by transgression of the law of GodEvery case of suffering He could trace back to its source. In every case He read the sad and awful end of unrepenting sinners. He knew that He alone could rescue them from the pit into which they had fallen. He alone could place their feet in the right pathHis perfection alone could avail for their imperfection. He alone could cover their nakedness with His spotless robe of righteousness. . . . He is strong to deliver. Help has been laid on One that is mighty. He encircles man with His long human arm, while with His divine arm He lays hold of Omnipotence. 

                                                                                                - Sons and Daughters of God, EG White, p 26

THE BRAZEN SERPENT                      http://2branches.info/the-brazen-serpent/index.html


Audio Message: The Brazen Serpent - A Personal Appeal 

- Please Play While Reading This Section



"The lifting up of the brazen serpent [Num. 21:4-9] was to teach Israel an important lesson. They could not be saved from the fatal effect of the poison in their wounds. God alone was able to heal them. Yet they were required to show their faith in the provision, which He had made. They must look in order to live. It was their faith that was acceptable with God, and by looking upon the serpent their faith was shown. They knew that there was no virtue in the serpent itself, but it was a symbol of Christ (His anointed one); and the necessity of faith in His merits (Christ in the messenger - Moses) was thus presented to their minds. Heretofore many had brought their offerings to God, and had felt that in so doing they made ample atonement for their sins. They did not rely upon the Redeemer to comeof whom these offerings were only a type.(even Christ Himself was a type) The Lord would now teach them that their sacrifices, in themselves, had no more power or virtue than the serpent of brass, but were, like that, to lead their minds to Christ, the great sin offering...

"The Israelites saved their lives by looking upon the uplifted serpent. That look implied faith. They lived because they believed God's word, and trusted in the means provided for their recoverySo the sinner may look to Christ (His anointed)and live. He receives pardon through faith in the atoning sacrifice. Unlike the inert and lifeless symbol, (Christ in His messenger) has power and virtue in Himself to heal the repenting sinner.

"While the sinner cannot save himself, he still has something to do to secure salvation. 'Him that cometh to me,' says Christ, 'I will in no wise cast out' (John 6:37). But we must come to Him; and when we repent of our sins, we must believe that He accepts and pardons us. Faith is the gift of God , but the power to exercise it is ours. Faith is the hand by which the soul takes hold upon the divine offers of grace and mercy....

"Jesus had pledged His word; He will save all who come unto Him. Though millions who need it to be healed will reject His offered mercynot one who trusts in His merits will be left to perish."

                                                                                     - God's Amazing Grace, p 315, E. G. White.

Brother _______, your greatest sin was denying that what took place at New Mt. Carmel Center was the fulfillment of the prophecies given by Ellen G. White (founder of The Seventh-day Adventists), Victor T. Houteff (founder of The Davidian Seventh-day Adventists), and Benjamin L. Roden (founder of The Branch Davidian Seventh-day Adventists), as presented in the following quotes.

Ellen G. White

"A General Movement Represented. I ask our people to study the twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel. The representation here made, while it - refers primarily to Lucifer, the fallen angel, has yet a broader significance. Not one being, but a general movement, is described, and one that we shall witness. A faithful study of this chapter should lead those who are seeking for truth to walk in all the light that God has givento His people, lest they be deceived by the deceptions of these last days (Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 17. p. 30)." - S.D.A. Bible Commentary, Volume 4, Ellen G. White, page 1162.

"Omega to One of the Most Subtle Delusions -- We are now to be on guard, and not drawn away from theall-important message given of God for this time. Satan is not ignorant of the result of trying to define God and Jesus Christ in a spiritualistic way that sets God and Christ as a nonentity. The moments occupied in this kind of science are, in the place of preparing the way of the Lord, making a way for Satan to come in and confuse the minds with mysticisms of his own devising. Although they are dressed up in angel robes they have made our God and our Christ a nonentity. Why? -- because Satan sees the minds are all fitted for his working. Men have lost tract of Christ and the Lord God, and have been obtaining an experience that is Omega to one of the subtlest delusions that will ever captivate the minds of men. We are forbidden to... set the imagination in a train of conjecture. — Diary, #48, pp. 153, 163, Aug. 25 and Aug. 28, 1904." The Manuscript Releases, Volume 11, Ellen White, page 211.

Here is what Benjamin Roden wrote about your healing!

"The Rod prophesied that the Branch (Christ) would bring about revival; and reformation - the great change in the church. Now, since Christ is the Word and the BRANCH is Christ, so then, it is easy to see that theBranch is a message... The sad part is that type reveals that Judah (in the church) will again crucify the BRANCH.  Since the BRANCH is not a person but Christ, Inspiration reveals they crucify Christ by rejecting His message - the BRANCH (SHE). This is what Davidians say:

'...The prophecy of Revelation 11 shows that Christ in our day in the form of His Truth. His Word, is to be crucified afresh at the hands of His professed people and that the Truth will be raised to glorious exaltation and victory and to the shame of its enemies.- The Symbolic Code [Victor T. Houteff], March 1956, Vol. 11 # 5 pp 13, 14." quoted in the Branch Lesson # 3, Benjamin L. Roden, July 10, 1958, p 8.

Doug your private interpretations that will not acknowledge His Truth in the BRANCH Message has caused you to err and sin, thus crucifying the LORD afresh before the world - your website and your Wikipedia writings are truth mixed with error !  You never accepted that the LORD was working through Vernon Howell as David Koresh, nor have you accepted that I was anointed and appointed as the next leader of The BRANCH. 

By you taking on the Denominational name of the General Association of Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists you took on the curse that goes with that cursed name. That was Ben Roden's name for the Movement and he was the anointed President and messenger because he was truly anointed and he had a New Message about The Branch He, and the work He was doing as our High Priest. You need to repent and stop trying to steal Ben Roden's identity as President of General Association of BDSDA. You even confederated with the State through the courts to have them name you because the LORD did NOT APPOINT you to that position, and as the historic facts show, you were denied each and every time!

Why Perish? Repent! Repent! Repent!

Brazen Serpent Lifted Up, Heals

BrazenSerpent

'"And his feet like unto fine brass...' Rev. 1:15 On the metal image of Daniel 2, brass is the third metal - gold, silver, and brass. Therefore, The Branch, being the third division since 1844 is the brazen serpentwhile we are yet in the wilderness (land of the Gentiles). If all who are bitten by the old serpent, the devil, will look upon the Brazen Serpent, the Branch, as did Israel in the days of Moses, they too, will be healed.(The Great Controversy, [Ellen White] 415:3)" -- The Wedding Supper #1, Benjamin L. Roden, Feb. 22, 1960, p 5.

As one can see from Benjamin L. Roden's prophecy, "Since the BRANCH is not a person but Christ. Inspiration reveals they crucify Christ by rejecting His message - the BRANCH." They would, Ellen White says, "define God and Jesus Christ (Yahoshua the Anointed one) in a spiritualistic way that sets God and Christ (anointed one - Joshua) as a nonentity" and obtain "an experience that is Omega to one of the most subtle delusions that will ever captivate the minds of men." 

The greatest abomination that can be perpetrated by a created being is to exalt themselves above their Creator, making God and Christ a nonentity.

Brother_____, your private interpretations against the messenger(s) and message(s) the LORD raised up in the Branch Movement, while attempting to bring all the attention to yourself as the self appointed leader, has caused our LORD to be crucified afresh!  If you claim to be the leadership of BDSDA, then your actions have crucified the LORD afresh! Inspiration said it IS THE LEADERS IN 2 TRIBE JUDAH BDSDA (Benjamin) and DBDSDA (Judah) that reject present truth and crucify the WORD in the BRANCH MESSAGE AFRESH! THIS INCLUDES BOTH DAVID KORESH AND YOU, WITH YOUR FOLLOWERS, RESPECTIVELY!

You have openly and publicly denied both of the men that Lois herself endorsed as each bringing a new message and thereby adopting a new name for their movements, according to the By-Laws of the Association.

Vernon Howell by the life he led, explained the "mystery of iniquity" and he took the new name of Davidian Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists as his denominational name to depict that he receives the dead dead slaughter of Ezekiel 9 as DSDA in 1959 received a spiritual slaughter only. 

Lois said Charles Pace -  the Joshua of today, had a new message about the "mystery of godliness" and the impartation of the righteousness of Christ, the loud cry of the 7th Angel the Holy Spirit Daughter. His experience in receiving the garment change first (1TG8) was indicated by his naming the Movement, The Branch, The LORD Our Righteousness.

With a new message must come a NEW NAME! You used the old name just as the self appointed vice presidents of the DSDA have done, which makes them presidents of vice!

Brother ______ , you have been bitten, and consequently have caused others to be bitten by that old serpent the devil through your false teachings.  ALL MUST look upon the Brazen Serpent, the Branch Message Lifted High Upon a Rod or Pole, and see that the withered pole with the graven image of a poisonous snake is for your deliveranceAll who would not accept God's authorized leader(s) were bitten by the negative comments of those around them who were in rebellion with God and would NOT come under His appointed leader Moses.

And today we are asked to be delivered from our wicked self the man of sin by looking at the Brazen Serpent, the Branch Davidian Message(s) and Movement(s), the Corporate Body of Christ the Branch, crucified afresh by His own professed leaders, including you and I, because CHRIST the WORD, through His corporate body, Davidian Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists, would take the Ezekiel 9 slaughter for the rest of the corporate bodies that are claiming to be following Him, but have setup their own man-made gospel program as you have with your cyber church.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

God ordained that the Headquarters of the Branch Movement was to be New Mt Carmel Center in Waco TX, where His anointed president and vicegerent lives, and, with his wife has established the true protestant parsonage as all previous reformers and prophets since Luther and his wife have maintained.

Do you want to be healed? Then repent and stop crucifying your LORD afresh because He is no longer atoning for your sins and He is about to spew you out of His body as He will any Laodicean (SDA, D SDA, BD SDA or DBD SDA) who continues to identify themselves with the cursed denominational name! Be zealous therefore and REPENT. Buy of me gold tried in the fire - pure unadulterated truth with no private interpretation, eye salve so you can see - what the Spirit is saying, and finally the robe of Christ's righteousness not your self righteousness!

If you will humble yourself and do these things, and reconcile with your Branch brethren, then you will be healed, because the LORD will raise you from the dead to newness of life. We are all truly dead in trespasses and sins. 

Now, that your poisoned thoughts and emotions towards your brothers have manifested from the spiritual, to the emotional and now finally into the physical, your only hope to live is to bring yourself before the LORD and confess your sins and be reconciled and delivered. 

And if you do not then you are not looking at the brazen serpent, the man whose name is branch, supported by the rod message (1TG 8) as the means by which you will be healed from the poisoned understanding that old serpent the devil has bitten you, and your followers with. 

Yes you will all die, but would it not be better to die to self and forsake this war you have had against the LORD Himself. We all have had to wrestle like Jacob did with the Angel, the LORD Himself. Stop resisting and let Him bless you!

You may call me if you have any questions!

Peace and Blessings

your fellow servant

joshua ben david

254 - 716-5859

http://2branches.info

joshua@2branches.info


Part 2

Reconciliation Is Needed Before The LORD Heals Your Condition - Matt 18 Protocol


Dear Brother and Sister, 

Yes I agree, my demeanor is very straight forward and unappealing, but thank the Lords, what I said, in whatever manner conveyed, or received, is the Straight Testimony of the True Witness.  IT IS SO CUTTING AND SO SEVERE, IT MUST BE TRUE. 

Most of you have no idea about the past events that transpired within the Branch church and movement, and therefore, would not have experienced or would not have known what has transpired in the past through the misinterpretation and the claims of self-appointed leaders! I have! I have been a true witness and the subject and object of most of the past anger and hatred in the movement. But, I am willing to forgive and reconcile so that we as a body of believers no longer carry this burden of bitterness and anger that all may be healed! Or did you not understand what was being offered in the guise of tough love? And yes, it is offered to whosoever will accept what the Spirit is saying to the churches!

I am a Naturpathic Doctor and an ordained minister.  I believe I do understand the cause of dis-ease and how it is to be remedied. Most cultivated dis-ease is created in the heart and mind of the individual, at the seat of Mercy, if you will. If the Spirit of Elahim, the Spirit of Truth is not seated on the throne of your heart and mind, then another spirit has been allowed to sit and control the soul! We have all been born with the spirit of self reigning our hearts and minds and causing us to believe in lies and falsehoods, through our self and private interpretations. 

It is only when we are repentant and born again that the Spirit of Truth and Love can reign in our hearts, but only if we allow Her! The Spirit of Truth is the Healer of our soul - spirit, mind and body.  But She must have Supreme Authority over our body temple. Our body is not our own because Yehoshua bought it with the price He paid, His physical death! His spiritual death paid for our deserved eternal second death! Why was Christ raised from a physical death and healed of all physical trauma He took upon Himself for us? Because He also died a spiritual death, the eternal second death when He said, 

"It is finished, Father into your hands I give my Spirit." And He bowed His head and gave up the Holy Ghost! He gave up the One Who sat on the Mercy Seat of His Heart, His Beloved! How was He healed and raised from the dead? The Father received His Spirit and a body was given Her, and He authorized His Spirit Daughter, the Power of Resurrection and Life to quicken the Son, as She breathed into Him the breath of Life.  Thus, the Second Adam became a living soul, and the grave and death could NOT hold Him! This is how we are healed and given eternal Life!

Please do not misunderstand my motives because I have had to speak out publicly to show how we are all bound together as the Body of Christ and when we do not discern our connection spiritually, emotionally and physically through the sacrament of communion we affect the whole Body of Christ by our unbelief and our action. Yes, we are our brother's keeper! Sometimes it takes tough love to help a brother or sister see how they are coming against the very Truth and Message of the Branch He and She. Hopefully, this tough love will cause them to see their misinterpretations and repent, and consequently remove the spiritual curse of their own actions and free themselves from this cancerous dis-ease eating up the Body of Christ, both individually and corporately. It does not just affect the individual, but the whole Body of Christ!

Do you think the Lord enjoys using tough love on us? As a doctor (teacher) and minister (spiritual servant) I see this as the only way to help the individual cure themselves and be delivered from the spirit of self righteousness and be purified and preserved to be used of God as Saul was. Before Saul was converted, thought he was doing God's will in hunting down and killing the followers of Yahoshua, until He came in face to face contact with His Glory, His anointed Presence, and, was blinded by the Light! When the scales of the serpent fell from his eyes, he no longer saw Christ as the enemy, as Jacob did while wrestling with the Angel, but He saw Him as His LORD and Master!

You all may want to reprimand me for being so bold and outright! At the cost of being misunderstood, I do not mind being the scapegoat. I do have a right to tell my long time brother to stop and reassess what he has been doing for so long because he himself has created this condition, and if he continues fighting and wrestling with the LORD Himself, then he will surely perish.  Yahoshua said, we are to love our enemy.  We all need to be willing to reconcile even if our brother or sister is unwilling to forsake bitterness and unfounded hatred towards you and the work of God?

I do not know you all, but if you want the best for your brother or sister, I suggest that you spend your time praying that they like Saul and Jacob repent and have their name and reputation changed among the Body of Christ. We should be willing to put away our difference for the sake of the Truth and for the sake of harmony among the brethren, the Body of Christ! The question here, and always will been, are we willing to repent, and stop accusing the brethren and have the scales of the serpent fall from our eyes? 

Do we want Our Sovereign LORD to reign over His body temple by allowing the Spirit of Truth, the Presence of the Living God, fill our heart with Truth and Love for our LORD and His body of believers, our brethren. That is why I am doing this, yes even in a public setting, to draw us ALL into unity and Truth which in itself is healing for the body, yes my body, your body, but most of all, Christ's Body since He bought ALL our bodies with the same price, His body. Yes, individually and corporately we are the Body of Christ.

How can you take the "daily" communion, and not discern the Body of Christ! If you do not know and  acknowledge who the Body of Christ is, you eat and drink to your own damnation. And this is WHY there are many that become sick among us and die. 

As a doctor and a minister I believe the communion emblems are the "meal that heals". Why? Because, if you eat it unworthily not discerning the body, you will get sick and even die! Therefore, if you eat it worthily you become healthy and live - translated without death!

What does it really mean to not discern the body, even though you partake of the emblems? We all know that the emblems represent the Body and Blood of Christ, but do we realize that they represent our individual body, and collectively, the corporate Body of Christ too? Are we seeing that everybody the LORD died for, He purchased their body temple with the price of His own physical death? And when we eat the bread we remember His death or the purchase of everybody's body. And that is everybody that ever lived and ever will live!! 

Anyone that thinks my counsel is too harsh must remember that I am the body of Christ, you are the body of Christ and we All are the Body of Christ, collectively!  I desire to be one with Christ, which means I have to be in unity with my enemy and those that despitefully use me. We must come into unity with one another.  And if one of us is sick, that makes me and you or the Corporate Body sick! 

So you see, discerning the body takes on a whole new and more profound meaning especially if we are keeping the "daily" and partaking of the emblems. But, are we, the corporate Body of Christ, eating and drinking to our own damnation, and therefore, are finding there are those among us that are sick and dying? 

As a doctor I no longer try to heal the physical or emotional problems my clients have.  I rather minister to them with the gospel and break down the strongholds demons have built up in their minds and hearts. I do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers in high places, the seat and battlefield of the mind! "As a man thinks, so is he." 

I fight with a spiritual arsenal not physical therapies and come against the adversary of the soul with "It is written!"  And, "Thus says the LORD!" I help them overcome the adversary of their souls that keeps them in bondage through the lies, the private or self-interpretation they wish to believe. 

I get right to the natural cause of their dis-ease. It is usually the familiar spirit of self that is ruling the heart instead of the Spirit of Agape' Love, the Holy Spirit of Truth! And they remain in bondage to that familiar spirit through self-interpretation, private interpretation, because the Spirit of Truth has been dethroned by the spirit of self.

Some are healed if they are willing to crucify self instead of Christ, and come under the Spirit's healing program, the "daily" partaking of the communion, "the meal that heals". We must discern that our individual bodies make up the corporate Body of Christ and in order to keep all healthy and operating without sickness we all must be One in Spirit, One in Faith, One in Truth and One Body under One LORD. 

Consequently, if one desires to be healed, especially, if he is eating and drinking the emblems "daily", then he must eat and drink with discernment! Therefore, he/we must eat and drink knowing that Christ died for everybody, and that every body belongs to Him. Then, He will put His Spirit within us and cause us or compel us to walk in His ways and keep His statutes and judgments if we truly are listening to Her small still voice saying "This is the Way walk ye in It!"

I am sorry to have dragged you all into this spiritual mess that has been going on for over 30 years! Yes, 30 years of accusation after accusation and bitterness! But, it is time we all come into unity for the sake of the LORDS' good Name and reputation.  Branch Davidians have the world watching them like we live in a fish bowl!  They/We will know we are Branches by our love for one another!

We are eating and drinking "daily" of the emblems without discerning the body of Christ whose body we are. Is it any wonder that we are getting sick and die, individually, and as a church, because of this falsehood, bitterness and hypocrisy we keep in our heart when we refuse to reconcile with one another? We have turned the daily sacrament of communion into an empty ritual.  Some have even declared it to be a test of fellowship! LORD have mercy on us!

Our remedy of course is the righteousness of Christ. What Would Jesus Do? What Did Yahoshua Do To Jacob and Saul after they CONFESSED THEIR SIN? That is what the LORD will do for anyone who will forsake their self righteousness and repent.  

I am a part of everyone's healing because I must forgive and be forgiven, or we will all become sick and die from eating and drinking the "daily" unworthily.  We can not fool the Spirit of Truth, She knows and sees our hearts and what we are doing to one another! 

The LORD says that He has reconciled us unto the Father, but if we will not reconcile with one another, then, we are NOT reconciled to the Father. In other words, Yahoshua forgave us and died in our stead, therefore, the Father has forgiven us. 

But, if we cannot and will not forgive one another, the Father nor the Son will forgive us and They will take Their Holy Spirit, our breath from us and we will die! 

CHRIST IS THE TRUE HEALER OF OUR SOUL.  

BUT, WE MUST BE A TRUE BELIEVER AND ACKNOWLEDGE OUR NEED OF HIS HEALING MERCY AND GRACE, AND, HAVE FAITH THAT HE IS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN US HIS GOOD PLEASURE!

PEACE AND BLESSINGS 


your fellow servant

joshua ben david

254 - 716-5859

http://2branches.info 

joshua@2branches.info



What Is Left

WHAT IS LEFT OF MOUNT CARMEL?

What happened to the Branch Davidians after the death of David Koresh? A reporter from the Texas Monthly magazine, Michael Hall, paid a visit to Mount Carmel in the spring of 2003, to find out who might still be there.  Near the gate of the property he found a small new chapel tended by Clive Doyle, 62, a preacher who lives in a small double-wide mobile home next to the church.  Doyle had survived the fire, though his hands were badly burned.  He serves a congregation of four other Davidian survivors; he estimates that there are only a dozen or so Davidians left in Texas, and “maybe a hundred in the world.”  He holds his services, or “studies” on Saturdays, sitting in a chair and discussing Bible themes with members and visitors.  He still believes in Koresh’s teachings, especially those related to the seven seals of Revelation, for which he thought Koresh had the essential key.  Both he and his followers expect that David Koresh will be resurrected before the end of time and come back and guide them again.

Walking across the dry and desolate 77-acre Branch Davidian property, Hall found a renovated barn at the opposite end.  Inside there was another Davidian congregation of six people who disavowed Koresh as a prophet and followed instead the teachings of Ben and Lois Roden, themselves also self-proclaimed prophets, now deceased.  The Rodens had preceded Koresh on the property, but he had displaced them.  Charlie Pace, the current leader of this group, with his wife and three children and three grown women still claim the rightful title to the property.  Others as well have disputed Doyle’s claim; but, after a lengthy trial, the court has simply decided that the property belongs to “the church.”  These small groups, who are all Sabbathkeepers, remain and try to focus on the future calamities they all are sure will come.

Before his death, Ben was placed in an insane asylum in Texas; and his wife, Lois, had proclaimed that the Holy Spirit was a woman.

What Is Left Of Mount Carmel? 

My Open Letter To Vance Ferrel of Pilgrim’s Rest:

Dear Brother Ferrel:

A friend and long time Branch Davidian has received your publications each month for years. She noticed that in your December 2010 letter you had printed some misinformation about our Branch Davidian history.  You did not personally investigate the facts for yourself. Nor did you care to find out from the source if the facts were correct. You decided to use an article from the “Texas Monthly Magazine” by Michael Hall who originally had misconstrued the facts in his 8-year-old article entitled “What Is Left Of Mt Carmel”. I am the Charles Pace mentioned inthe article and I have been Pastor/Manager here since 1996 and would like to set the record straight so that you do not continue to bear false witness against New Mt Carmel Center by repeating hear say (heresy).

“What is left of Mt Carmel?”  What the US government did not destroy during and after the 51 day siege against a Christian Community culminating in a fire that destroyed the main living quarters for the 84 men, women, teenagers and children that died during the siege and the numerous others that escaped the fire and who came out during one of the biggest fiascos in law enforcement history! That is what is left!

What did you expect to find here Mr. Hall? A whole Christian Community was demonized by the government through the media, then tortured, slaughtered and burned up by the ATF, FBI and the Delta Force. Once the ATF botched the simple serving of a bogus warrant on February 28, 1993 and participated in the ensuing raid, the FBI was called in for negotiations! The Delta Force was called to use the military equipment, CS gas, machine guns and the use of fire for the final bloody overthrow and fiery destruction of The Davidian Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventist community and headquarters. 

It was not enough to destroy the lives of these men, women and children, but they also burned the building, bulldozed the crime scene and for 9 months sifted the dirt and carried off the evidence in eleven loads of a 14-yard dump truck! And to add insult to injury destroyed our newly renovated 3000-foot water well.

So what was the question again? “What Is Left Of Mt Carmel? Your answer: What the US government, under Bill Clinton wanted to leave as their mark of authority – 84 dead Branch Davidians who were from the United States, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel; 4 ATF officers who died from friendly fire; a bulldozed crime scene which left no evidence to incriminate them! This is how our tax dollars are at work!

Clive Doyle, as of February 28, 2006, no longer lives here or holds meetings here. His compromised health from diabetes and stress caused him to move to an apartment in Waco where he still conducts a worldwide ministry to help the public and fellow believers understand Koresh’s teachings and answer those who want to know what happened during the 51-Day Siege and after math.

New Mt Carmel Center is under the full management of The BRANCH, The LORD Our Righteousness Congregation led by Charles Pace who has been a Branch Davidian since 1973. In 1984, Charles declared to Koresh and followers that they were the apostate movement prophesied by Ellen White that “sets God and Christ as a nonentity” (Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 17, p 30) by rejecting Christ and His Holy Spirit to follow Koresh who claimed to be God in the flesh! 

In Ellen White’s comments on Ezekiel 28, she points out that this chapter would also be fulfilled in our ranks, the Adventist Movement (Manuscript Releases, Vol. 11, p 211) when the LORD says to a man who takes on the spirit of the adversary, “Because thou hast said, I have the mind of God, I sit in the seat of God, and I am God, I will send strangers, the terrible of the nations (Delta Force) to bring you down with the sword!”

I, Charles Pace, declared to Koresh et al that they would be judged by the LORD and receive the Ezekiel 9 slaughter - the slaughter of men, women maids and little children by the five men with slaughter weapons (Delta Force) because they would not sigh and cry for the abominations being done in the church by their leader(s). History shows that the prophecy was fulfilled exactly as written and declared!

Charles Pace has been rebuilding New Mt Carmel Center and restoring true worship of Christ and the Holy Spirit. Since 1996 he maintains the property, church and homes with the others that live there with him. He holds services each Sabbath and on the yearly feasts of the LORD (Lev. 23) and opens the services to Adventists and the public alike. Many people visit the historic site weekly and he and others have been available for tours, interviews, school groups, and even groups of professors from various international universities. There have been several journalists and film crews come to interview Charles for several documentaries to document the restoration and rebuilding of The Branch Davidian Message and Movement. 

Benjamin Roden prophesied, “Christ in our day, in the form of His Truth, His Word, is to be crucified afresh at the hands of His professed people, and that the Truth will be raised to glorious exaltation and victory to the shame of It’s enemies.” (Branch Lesson #3, July 10, 1958, p 8, Benjamin L Roden)

If you and your readers want more information about “What Is Left of Mt Carmel”, go to our website http://www.2branches.info there you will find much information about what Ellen White prophesied “that God has a great work to do in Texas” and how it is part of the Advent Movement(s), for she wrote: “That beautiful prophecy in Zechariah about Him whose name is BRANCH applies with peculiar force in the closing work of the atonement.” Great Controversy, pg 415, Ellen G. White

Sincerely, your fellow servant

Charles J. Pace

PS.  Two other misunderstood facts written by Michael Hall that you published: 

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1) Benjamin Roden’s son George was incarcerated not the father who died on October 22, 1978. His son killed a man in self-defense who tried to assassinate him, but because there were no witnesses he pleaded insanity to escape the Texas death penalty!  


2) Lois Roden taught that the Holy Spirit was the feminine member of the Godhead since Romans 1:20 declares we can know the character and attributes of the Godhead through what has been created, especially Adam and Eve, who were made in Their Image and Likeness, male and female! We therefore are left without an excuse that if there be a Father and a Son there must be a Mother! Lois never taught the Holy Spirit was a fleshly woman but the Divine Mother!